Hi Chip,

I think my opinion runs close to Rick's.

Cheers,

Tom

On 8/26/2013 11:20 PM, Rick Van Kooten wrote:
>   Hi Chip.
>
>   I am reluctantly okay with the new wording as a compromise, and also 
> support Chris' suggestion below of adding "(multi?)-TeV-scale lepton 
> colliders" to make sure accelerator R&D and physics studies continue 
> for these as well.  That was a continuing problem with even the 
> original text that your other frontier convenors were struggling with.
>
>   Regards,
>             Rick
>
> On 8/26/13 9:26 PM, Christopher G. Tully wrote:
>> Dear Chip,
>>       I fall into the group that would not be disappointed by the new
>> wording.  I am in favor of making a more inclusive statement that
>> encompasses the bulk
>> of all studies I reviewed:
>>
>> The Snowmass study called out in particular the promise of a 100 TeV
>> hadron collider and TeV-scale lepton colliders, giving a step in energy
>> with great potential for new physics discoveries. These opportunities
>> should be clarified through supported accelerator R&D and physics
>> studies for such machines over the next decade.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Raymond Brock <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>   wrote:
>>
>>> hi
>>>
>>> Well, we are getting very serious push-back from some of the overall
>>> snowmass conveners regarding the 100 TeV language. After 3 days of
>>> arguing over this, I personally have little desire to go back into it,
>>> but it's looking like we're headed there. The authors of the executive
>>> summary are the snowmass conveners and there is reaction among them
>>> ranging from refusal to sign to serious concern.
>>>
>>> I have have not vetted this note with Michael, but we're running out
>>> of time and I wanted to alert you to this and ask you to consider what
>>> the stakes are here. We can go on another two days of discussion and
>>> not get anything else done like Saturday and Sunday, or we can try to
>>> figure out what is the best alternative and what constitutes any real
>>> loss by toning down some of the enthusiasm.
>>>
>>> The conveners do not know that I'm writing this as Michael and I have
>>> both insisted on the language that we settled on last night as
>>> representing your wishes. Michael has been especially strong on that.
>>>
>>> There has been alternative language suggested:
>>>
>>> The Snowmass study called out in particular the promise of a 100 TeV
>>> hadron collider, giving a step in energy with great potential for
>>> new physics discoveries. This opportunity should be clarified through
>>> renewed accelerator R&D and physics studies for such a machine over
>>> the next decade.
>>>
>>> It calls for renewed R&D. That's new and serves the major long range
>>> purpose suggested by Ashutosh. (To me, that was the most important 
>>> thing.)
>>>
>>> It does not make specific and apparently controversial claims about
>>> physics thresholds. That will be disappointing to some of you, but it
>>> is the sticking point for some. The sticking point for others was the
>>> presumption that this seems to put VLHC at a priority level that's
>>> ahead of other important and more mature facilities. We've talked
>>> about that ourselves.
>>>
>>> Please think about this:
>>>
>>> o What does not happen with above alternative statement that you
>>> believe can only happen with the more aggressive one?
>>>
>>> This is between "you and me" but I hope you'll think about it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Chip
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