Hi All, concerning the determination of the (mb,a) theory related errors (that currently seems to be the dominant uncertainty in the Vub determination) I would like to point you to BAD 220 (b->sg exclusive measurement). Since the BSG BR fraction measurement has to deal with the same input parameters for the model (mb, lambda_1) than Vub the procedure to determine the systematic theory error described in this note can also be applied for the Vub measurement (see page > 189). Here are short summary of the steps: a) take mb (or Lambda_bar) obtained from the bsg energy spectrum (Important Remark: <Eg> is the only known variable which gives direct access to mb without depending on lambda_1!!!!) b) Input mb in the Vub model and fit for the Number of Vub events AND the second parameter a (or lambda_1). -> this should be straightforward since you already vary the model parameters - now you just have to interface it to your fit c) vary the error on mb by +-1 Sigma and repeat the full extraction -> this will automatically account for all correlations between mb and lamdda_1 and the systematic error on Vub would even be a real 68% CL (given that the input errors are 68%) After a long discussion with Helmut(referee of BAD220), the bsg group and myself that procedure was found to be the most "honest" and most meaningful determination of the mb,lamda_1 theory uncertainties. Hence it was used for ICHEP02. Maybe thats helpful. Oliver