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Hi Peter,

I was refering to the next Tuesday after this week (18 Oct). I would 
like to be there also.

Cheers,
Catalin.

Peter Elmer wrote:
>   Hi Catalin,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 07:27:23PM +0200, Catalin Cirstoiu wrote:
> 
>>Since I've already done a few things towards getting xrootd server 
>>monitoring data into MonALISA, I'm looking forward towards this.
>>
>>Unfortunately I will be unavailable the whole next week (I have an exam 
>>at my university), but I would suggest to have this meeting next 
>>Tuesday, for example, if it's possible for you too.
> 
> 
>   Do you mean that we should go ahead w/o you on Tuesday, 11 Oct or
> wait until Tuesday, 18 Oct so you can participate? It is fine with
> me if we try to do it on 18 Oct. (Better if you are there...)
> 
>                                    Pete
> 
> 
>>Peter Elmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Derek and Catalin,
>>>
>>>On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 02:38:36PM +0200, Derek Feichtinger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>You are right. Let's do it like this: We leave this completely out for 
>>>>now.
>>>>I will generate a patch to xrdcp which will be used in the Alice builds. 
>>>>
>>>>After talking to Catalin I can see now that the code is not in a state 
>>>>that it should be added to the common CVS anyhow (I had suspected a bit, 
>>>>an that's why I did not ask for inclusion of the #ifdefs in the present 
>>>>xrdcp). Catalin will get in contact with you again whether it is possible 
>>>>to get all the information he collects via the client extension also via 
>>>>the server based monitoring (added Catalin in CC).
>>>>If it turns out that there is interest in this functionality, we can 
>>>>still make it a configure option.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think having the possibility of sending xrootd information to MonALISA
>>>is something we want.
>>>
>>> I also agree that we should have a "what we want from this" discussion
>>>independent of the implementations, hopefully with Jacek/Tofigh 
>>>participating, too, since they worked on the server side monitoring. 
>>>Perhaps
>>>we could try to have a short dedicated phone conversation next week? Would
>>>you and Catalin be able to call into the normal xrootd meeting? (19:15
>>>CERN time on Tuesday)
>>>
>>>                                  Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thursday 06 October 2005 13.45, Peter Elmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Fabrizio and Derek,
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm also not fond of the idea of a separate executable as in any case
>>>>>then we are at the mercy of people using the correct one from any given
>>>>>installation of xrootd. It would be somewhat cleaner if people always
>>>>>just used 'xrd', whereever they are, and _if_ the command was linked
>>>>>with MonaLisa monitoring support it uses it. I guess there is then the
>>>>>question of how it knows whether and where to send the information (if 
>>>>>the
>>>>>support is linked). How would that have worked with the 'xrdmoncp' 
>>>>>command?
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, I'm still not sure what the _client_ side support for MonALISA
>>>>>gives us that that the server side support would not (e.g. by reusing
>>>>>the existing monitoring and simply allowing it to be redirected to
>>>>>MonaLISA). Could you spell this out for me, Derek?
>>>>>
>>>>>                                 Pete
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 01:35:38PM +0200, Fabrizio Furano wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Derek,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>generally I don't like "special" executable targets. However, I have no
>>>>>>objections if the idea is to move to a unique way when those libraries
>>>>>>are available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When I am out from the boring stuff I am on (very soon I hope) I will
>>>>>>start with the developing of some new features. Obviously I'll not
>>>>>>replicate modifications onto different code branches...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fabrizio
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 16:29 +0200, Derek Feichtinger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ciao, Fabrizio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We are using here a xrdcp with some added code for MonALISA monitoring
>>>>>>>of the clients. It's just the normal client with quite some stuff in
>>>>>>>between #ifdefs and it links against a MonALISA client library
>>>>>>>(libapmoncpp). The library is unluckily snot yet available on the main
>>>>>>>site (no official download page for that version yet. Catalin said he
>>>>>>>will include all the necessary changes in the official MonALISA soon).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For these reasons I would like to include it for now as a separate
>>>>>>>second client called xrdmoncp in the XrdClients directory, that will
>>>>>>>only be built when autotools detect the presence of the libapmoncpp
>>>>>>>library. This way it's easy for users to detect whether a copy command
>>>>>>>with MonALISA monitoring is available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is this ok for you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any others interested in this monitoring possibility?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>Derek
>>>>>
>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>Peter Elmer     E-mail: [log in to unmask]      Phone: +41 (22) 767-4644
>>>>>Address: CERN Division PPE, Bat. 32 2C-14, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland
>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>>Dr. Derek Feichtinger                   Tel:   +41 22 767 10 07
>>>>ARDA project                            email: [log in to unmask]
>>>>CERN                                    
>>>>http://people.web.psi.ch/feichtinger
>>>>CH-1211 Genève 23
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>Peter Elmer     E-mail: [log in to unmask]      Phone: +41 (22) 767-4644
>>>Address: CERN Division PPE, Bat. 32 2C-14, CH-1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland
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