Dear Physics Group Conveners, I appreciate very much all your hard work that is helping to produce compelling reports on the high energy colliding beam approach to exploring high energy physics. I do want to re-state more clearly my remark from yesterday at the end of Mark Palmer's capabilities talk on lepton colliders. I think it is a mistake and very misleading to lump all "lepton colliders" together in the physics reports - and more generally in discussion of our field. I urge you to say e+e- when you mean e+e- and say mu+mu- when you mean mu+mu-. This is essentially the same remarkas I made at the Seattle workshop in response to elements of the Higgs group report. It was also heavily triggered by the repeated use of the word "lepton colliders" in the new physics summary talk when in fact the relevant conclusions and inputs to the working group were only applicable to the proposed high energy e+e- colliders ILC and CLIC. The e+e- and mu+mu- approaches are fundamentally different. Much of the rationale for a future high energy lepton collider is to explore the Higgs and explore new physics possibilities in a way that is complementary to LHC. The e+e- approach has shown that it is very well suited to measuring final states with missing energy and such states are at the heart of the envisaged ILC and CLIC Higgs programs. e+e- is a well established "stable lepton collider" accelerator technology with well understood and comprehensive detector capabilities with high longitudinal polarization capabilities for linear colliders. It is a real option that has been under development for decades and is on the table now for ILC with realistic detector designs and an understanding of the machine backgrounds. The detector hermeticity capability is impeccable. Precision absolute normalization is possible using Bhabhas at the 0.1% level. The mu+mu- collider is a highly speculative "decaying lepton collider" with much R&D to do to establish the accelerator technology and luminosity performance with a potential niche application to things like a Higgs resonance scan, heavy Higgs and direct production of Z'. It can in principle do very well on beam energy determination. It features a "novel" (according to Mark), insane according to others, background regime from muon decays in the detector. This makes instrumentation of close to 4pi steradians extremely difficult at a muon collider and will severely limit the ability to detect final states with missing transverse momentum. Instrumentation below something like 150 mrad is not known to be feasible at a muon collider. Assuming no instrumentation below 150 mrad, it has been shown for an e+e- collider from simple kinematic considerations that this would limit the clean region of detection of missing energy to transverse momenta of about 30% of the beam energy. Given the actual minimum detection angle for e+e- (15 mrad), the reach is extended by a factor of 10 to about 3% of the beam energy. As an example, the direct production of WIMP pairs in association with a soft initial state photon and missing energy is something that can be done very well in e+e-. Exploration of "compressed" SUSY spectra is also one of the main issues of complementarity to LHC - a potentially natural explanation of current LHC results (SUSY particles are being produced - but with not enough missing ET to be detectable). This will be a much greater strength of e+e- compared to mu+mu- at the same center-of-mass energy for the same reasons. In conclusion, please be careful to avoid implicitly assuming that what is feasible and documented in e+e- is also obviously feasible in mu+mu-. It has been demonstrated that an e+e- machine is very well suited to measurements with missing energy such as nu-nu-H and supersymmetry. regards Graham Wilson -- Graham W. Wilson Associate Professor Dept. of Physics and Astronomy University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 Office Tel. 785-864-5231 Web: http://heplx3.phsx.ku.edu/~graham/ ######################################################################## Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list To unsubscribe from the SNOWMASS-EF list, click the following link: https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SNOWMASS-EF&A=1