hi EF conveners, Now we've had time to actually put things into a talk-like form. If you go to http://www.pa.msu.edu/~brock/file_sharing/snowmass2013/ Look at the 930pm titled pdf. What you'll notice is a brutal elimination of words into what we hope is the essence of your conclusions. I might include the full complement of conclusions as an appendix. o What's not been touched since this afternoon is the physics case slides for the new machines...that requires some thought still to emphasize the important cases. These are meant to be "why" we would build an upgrade or such a facility. o I'm teetering back and forth about vacuum instability. o Noticed: Slide 18 should say Knew where to look for the Higgs Boson So you need to tell me if we've hacked too much, or the wrong things. Again, we're presuming that the audience is not EF colleagues but others who don't do this work every day. Finally... o I'm thinking of a slide that says the following. You should tell me how you think this might be received. A slide that would be horizontal, but would show the following "documentation scale" LHC > TDR ILC = TDR ILC-HL = TDR CLIC = CDR muon collider < CDR TLEP (blank) This would make two points. First, I continue to feel tension between the natural conservatism built into projecting with a running, battle-scarred real detector at LHC as compared with a highly tuned, but still proposed detector at ILC. I also clearly am sensitive to the tension between the very sophisticated ILC proposals and the really virtual TLEP ideas. What do you think? best Chip and Michael --------------------------------------------------------------- Raymond Brock * University Distinguished Professor Department of Physics and Astronomy Michigan State University Biomedical Physical Sciences 567 WIlson Road, Room 3210 East Lansing, MI 48824 sent from: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> cell: (517)927-5447 MSU office: (517)353-1693/884-5579 open fax: (517)355-6661 secure fax: (517)351-0688 Fermilab office: (630)840-2286 CERN Office: 32 2-B03 * 76-71756 Twitter: @chipbrock Home: http://www.pa.msu.edu/~brock/ ISP220: http://www.pa.msu.edu/courses/ISP220/ ISP213H: http://www.pa.msu.edu/courses/2007spring/ISP213H/ Facebook: http://msu.facebook.com/profile.php?id=2312233 ######################################################################## Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list To unsubscribe from the SNOWMASS-EF list, click the following link: https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SNOWMASS-EF&A=1