Hi Graham, The 8% precision on the Higgs self-coupling from VLHC comes from white paper submitted by Wei-Ming Yao and this analysis reproduces the results for HL-LHC and extends the analysis to HE-LHC and VLHC. Jianming is away, but knows the status of the documentation for that analysis (which I gather you have not seen). It is true that there is another potential source for higher precision on the Higgs self-coupling. The 6 TeV muon collider has the potential to achieve 2% and if this white paper contribution arrives in time with the full background simulation, then we will revise that conclusion point. Best, Chris On Aug 23, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Graham W. Wilson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Rick, > > I haven't followed the hadron collider Higgs self-coupling discussion in detail, but from a quick reading of the > draft Higgs report and relevant papers (I couldn't find ref 69), it seems clear that double-Higgs production statistics > is likely to be a strength of VLHC. But how much this translates into a Higgs self coupling measurement > and in particular a model-independent measurement of the Higgs self-coupling when there is a 30% error on > the theoretical cross-section and many different non HHH coupling contributions to final states with HH is not clear at all. > So I don't think your "likely the best place for Higgs self-coupling" is supported by the current documentation. > > regards > Graham > > On 8/23/2013 9:45 AM, Rick Van Kooten wrote: >> On 8/22/13 8:57 PM, Peskin, Michael E. wrote: >>> >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> I attach the most recent versions of the Snowmass Executive Summary and the >>> EF 5-page summary. We will discuss these in our meeting tomorrow. >>> >>> The Executive summary got somewhat rearranged. The frontier conveners >>> wanted the capabilities sections pulled out and merged into a common section. >>> This means that the accelerator part of the LHC, ILC, and VLHC discussion >>> occurs much later in the document. But, please look it over. I did insert >>> language on the US leadership in high-field magnets. >> >> Regarding the current top-level executive summary, I would like to see the _unique_ capabilities of e+e- machines stressed, and as one example: >> >> "They can reach sub-percent precision in the Higgs boson properties, allowing discoveries of percent-level deviations predicted in theoretical models." >> >> to >> >> "They can reach sub-percent precision in the Higgs boson properties in a unique, model-independent way, allowing discoveries of percent-level deviations predicted in theoretical models." >> >> This is just transferring some wording from the longer summary. I believe that we are all agreed that an "all hadron" option, i.e., HL-LHC -> HE-LHC/VLHC would definitely be missing out on important physics and capabilities and we want to make that clear. >> >> Also a small suggestion: adding "at least", i.e.,: >> >> "They can improve the precision of our knowledge of the $W$, $Z$, and top properties by at least an order of magnitude". >> >>> >>> As to the rest of the VLHC discussion, let's talk about it tomorrow. The >>> new particles group would like a stronger endorsement of VLHC in the executive >>> summary. I am rather cool to this, because the VLHC is not on the table >>> now. It would be good to get more opinions from the members of >>> our group. >> >> There is no denying that a ~100 TeV VLHC brings a lot to the table (including likely the best place for Higgs self-coupling) and we should say this, but with the caveats that Graham clearly points out. I do like Ashutosh's suggested wording encouraging a conceptual design report which is what would be needed to come to more solid conclusion. We could preface his encouraging statement with "Although beyond the 20-year timeline of this report, further investigations of the physics and technical issues would be opportune at this time..." (and indeed the same holds true for TLEP). >> >> Regards, >> Rick >> >> > > > -- > Graham W. Wilson > Associate Professor > Dept. of Physics and Astronomy > University of Kansas > Lawrence, KS 66045 > Office Tel. 785-864-5231 > Web: http://heplx3.phsx.ku.edu/~graham/ > > ######################################################################## > Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list > > To unsubscribe from the SNOWMASS-EF list, click the following link: > https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SNOWMASS-EF&A=1 ######################################################################## Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list To unsubscribe from the SNOWMASS-EF list, click the following link: https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SNOWMASS-EF&A=1