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I think this is an okay compromise and I thank you and Michael for going to bat for our points of view so strongly. Hopefully this will make it easier to obtain broad support. I would also support the lepton collider language in addition. We are almost there… (hopefully)… good luck! Best, Robin On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Cecilia E Gerber <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I also support the addition of the multi-TeV-scale lepton colliders proposed by Chris. > > Cecilia > > On Aug 26, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Rick Van Kooten wrote: > >> Hi Chip. >> >> I am reluctantly okay with the new wording as a compromise, and also support Chris' suggestion below of adding "(multi?)-TeV-scale lepton colliders" to make sure accelerator R&D and physics studies continue for these as well. That was a continuing problem with even the original text that your other frontier convenors were struggling with. >> >> Regards, >> Rick >> >> On 8/26/13 9:26 PM, Christopher G. Tully wrote: >>> Dear Chip, >>> I fall into the group that would not be disappointed by the new >>> wording. I am in favor of making a more inclusive statement that >>> encompasses the bulk >>> of all studies I reviewed: >>> >>> The Snowmass study called out in particular the promise of a 100 TeV >>> hadron collider and TeV-scale lepton colliders, giving a step in energy >>> with great potential for new physics discoveries. These opportunities >>> should be clarified through supported accelerator R&D and physics >>> studies for such machines over the next decade. >>> >>> Best, >>> Chris >>> >>> On Aug 26, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Raymond Brock <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> hi >>>> >>>> Well, we are getting very serious push-back from some of the overall >>>> snowmass conveners regarding the 100 TeV language. After 3 days of >>>> arguing over this, I personally have little desire to go back into it, >>>> but it's looking like we're headed there. The authors of the executive >>>> summary are the snowmass conveners and there is reaction among them >>>> ranging from refusal to sign to serious concern. >>>> >>>> I have have not vetted this note with Michael, but we're running out >>>> of time and I wanted to alert you to this and ask you to consider what >>>> the stakes are here. We can go on another two days of discussion and >>>> not get anything else done like Saturday and Sunday, or we can try to >>>> figure out what is the best alternative and what constitutes any real >>>> loss by toning down some of the enthusiasm. >>>> >>>> The conveners do not know that I'm writing this as Michael and I have >>>> both insisted on the language that we settled on last night as >>>> representing your wishes. Michael has been especially strong on that. >>>> >>>> There has been alternative language suggested: >>>> >>>> The Snowmass study called out in particular the promise of a 100 TeV >>>> hadron collider, giving a step in energy with great potential for >>>> new physics discoveries. This opportunity should be clarified through >>>> renewed accelerator R&D and physics studies for such a machine over >>>> the next decade. >>>> >>>> It calls for renewed R&D. That's new and serves the major long range >>>> purpose suggested by Ashutosh. (To me, that was the most important thing.) >>>> >>>> It does not make specific and apparently controversial claims about >>>> physics thresholds. That will be disappointing to some of you, but it >>>> is the sticking point for some. The sticking point for others was the >>>> presumption that this seems to put VLHC at a priority level that's >>>> ahead of other important and more mature facilities. We've talked >>>> about that ourselves. >>>> >>>> Please think about this: >>>> >>>> o What does not happen with above alternative statement that you >>>> believe can only happen with the more aggressive one? >>>> >>>> This is between "you and me" but I hope you'll think about it. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Chip >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Raymond Brock * University Distinguished Professor >>>> Department of Physics and Astronomy >>>> Michigan State University >>>> Biomedical Physical Sciences >>>> 567 WIlson Road, Room 3210 >>>> East Lansing, MI 48824 >>>> sent from: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>> >>>> cell: (517)927-5447 >>>> MSU office: (517)353-1693/884-5579 >>>> open fax: (517)355-6661 >>>> secure fax: (517)351-0688 >>>> Fermilab office: (630)840-2286 >>>> CERN Office: 32 2-B03 * 76-71756 >>>> >>>> Twitter: @chipbrock >>>> Home: http://www.pa.msu.edu/~brock/ >>>> ISP220: http://www.pa.msu.edu/courses/ISP220/ >>>> ISP213H: http://www.pa.msu.edu/courses/2007spring/ISP213H/ >>>> Facebook: http://msu.facebook.com/profile.php?id=2312233 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the SNOWMASS-EF list, click the following link: >>>> https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SNOWMASS-EF&A=1 >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the SNOWMASS-EF list, click the following link: >>> https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SNOWMASS-EF&A=1 >>> >> >> -- >> Rick Van Kooten \ Telephone: (812) 855-2650 FNAL: (630) 840-3859 >> Dept. of Physics \ HEP FAX: (812) 855-0440 >> Indiana University \ e-mail: [log in to unmask] >> Swain Hall West 117 \ http://hep.physics.indiana.edu/~rickv/aboutme.html >> Bloomington, IN 47405 >> >> ######################################################################## >> Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list >> >> To unsubscribe from the SNOWMASS-EF list, click the following link: >> https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SNOWMASS-EF&A=1 > > Cecilia Gerber > > +--------------------------------------------------------------+ > Professor Cecilia E. 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