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On 12/16/13 1:50 , Fabrice Jammes wrote: > Hello Jacek, > Hi Fabrice, EUPS should be compatible with everything from Python 2.2 to 2.7, so I don't think you need to worry about much about it. I believe most distros still don't make /usr/bin/python python 3; when they begin, we'll update EUPS to handle it. Also, I don't think it's good policy to have 'python' executable be Python 3 -- there are unfortunately many, many, libraries that still require 2.x and expect 'python' to be of that flavor. If python 3 is needed, I'd recommend calling the binary python3. Regarding its use with virtualenv, EUPS has been designed with virtual-env like functionality in mind -- specifically, it manages the PYTHON_PATH for you. So using the two together is likely to generate conflicts (though it may not be impossible). But I think the point with EUPS is that you shouldn't need to use virtualenv. Is there something specific that would prevent you from just wrapping packages with .build (or, soon, with pkgbuild scripts), and let EUPS manage them? (and my apologies in advance if I missed that discussion if it already happened -- just point me to it and I'll read up). Cheers, -- Mario > I see at least 3 solutions : > > 1. re-building python : it's a bit awkward because eups already needs > python > and this implies python is already installed on the environnement before > installing eups. > Furthermore, if eups install a python version it is not compatible with, > it will nevertheless swith to use > it (instead of system python) and then fails. > > 2. use systemp python : there's example file in HSC build script. The > problem with this solution > is that the install tool may have to manage conflict between system > python libs and eups-installed python libs. > > 3. use virtualenv : i think it's a good solution, but eups can't do this > at the moment. > > Maybe it would be a good idea to make eups always run with system > python, indeed it would solve point 1. and 3. > I can test quickly if it work by updating eups source (in peculiar eups > executable which invoke python), and them put a ticket so that > eups install tools take in account this improvment. > > If this solution is too complicated, i will then try point 2. > > Do you think this proposal is reasonable ? > > Have a nice day, > > Fabrice > > > On 12/13/2013 06:33 PM, Jacek Becla wrote: >> Fabrice >> >> Why do we want to / have to use virtualenv? Can we not >> rely on eups and do all the things that we wanted to >> do via virtualenv inside eups? >> >> Thanks, >> Jacek >> >> >> >> On 12/13/2013 09:17 AM, Fabrice Jammes wrote: >>> >>> For information, a reply from Jim Bosch about eups and virtualenv. It >>> seems that mixing this two software may be quite difficult ... >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: [HSC Forum] "Installing virtualenv with eups" >>> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:09:45 -0000 >>> From: [log in to unmask] >>> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> jbosch <http://hsca.ipmu.jp:8080/users/11/jbosch/> posted a comment >>> <http://hsca.ipmu.jp:8080/question/167/installing-virtualenv-with-eups/?comment=169#comment-169> >>> >>> >>> >>> Commented by jbosch: >>> >>> I think I agree with your statement about what eups' behavior should be, >>> but I'm afraid I'm not enough of a eups expert to be able to make that >>> change myself (or even understand all its ramifications). I'm somewhat >>> concerned about the idea of trying to use virtualenv with eups, though, >>> as I think they're likely to conflict in more ways than this. As I >>> understand it, both of them want to take control over your environment >>> and determine which versions of other packages will be used, and I'm >>> concerned that makes them fundamentally incompatible. >>> >>> In reply to fjammes's question: Installing virtualenv with eups >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I need to install virtualenv with eups but i run in a tricky problem : >>> >>> |[eups@clrlsst-dbmaster-vm eups]$ /usr/bin/python -S -c "import >>> traceback" >>> [eups@clrlsst-dbmaster-vm eups]$ >>> /opt/lsst/Linux64/python/virtualenv/bin/python -S -c "import traceback" >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File "<string>", line 1, in <module> >>> ImportError: No module named traceback >>> | >>> >>> So, it seems virtualenv doesn't import all python standard library. >>> >>> The problems is that after having installed virtualenv, eups use >>> opt/lsst/Linux64/python/virtualenv/bin/python and return next error >>> message : >>> >>> |[eups@clrlsst-dbmaster-vm eups]$ eups >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File "/opt/lsst/eups/bin/eups_impl.py", line 26, in <module> >>> import eups.cmd >>> File "/opt/lsst/eups/python/eups/__init__.py", line 1, in <module> >>> from exceptions import * >>> File "/opt/lsst/eups/python/eups/exceptions.py", line 5, in <module> >>> import sys, traceback >>> ImportError: No module named traceback >>> | >>> >>> So, my build scripts, or setup/unsetup commands doesn't work anymore. >>> >>> Is there a way to force eups to always use a fixed python version ? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Fabrice >>> >>> To change freqency and content of these alerts, please visit your user >>> profile <http://hsca.ipmu.jp:8080/users/38/fjammes/subscriptions/>. >>> >>> If you believe that this message was sent in an error, please email >>> about it the forum administrator at [log in to unmask] >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Administrator >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the QSERV-L list, click the following link: >>> https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=QSERV-L&A=1 >>> >> >> ######################################################################## >> Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list >> >> To unsubscribe from the QSERV-L list, click the following link: >> https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=QSERV-L&A=1 > > ######################################################################## > Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list > > To unsubscribe from the QSERV-L list, click the following link: > https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=QSERV-L&A=1 -- Mario Juric, Data Mgmt. 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