Ok. What version is our ďofficial" HPS version that we have been benchmarking with?


On Jan 30, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Graham, Mathew Thomas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


Iím not sure what does and doesnít crash in 3.1.5Öthatís the version I have on my laptop but I havenít used it too much.  

On Jan 30, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Hansson Adrian, Per Ola <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


Ok, so you will run the test with 3.1.4 then?

The 3.1.5 crashes on the new detector but runs on ďall" other detectors we have in HPS? Doesnít that suggest there is something with the new geometry that we may or may not want to understand? Could be a bug in slic/G4 or in our detector geometry I guess. 

I donít know what would be different in terms of the geometry. Only thing I can think of is overlap handling? 

/Pelle


On Jan 30, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Graham, Mathew Thomas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I think this is only a problem with slic 3.1.5, which is what I have on my laptop.  The version at JLAB is 3.1.4 and it seems to be running no problem. 

I donít think we should move to Geant4 10 until we do a detailed comparison (tracking/ECAL/trigger) between that and the version weíre using now (9.6.1). We donít want any surprises.  Iíll put this on my list.  


On Jan 30, 2015, at 2:13 PM, McCormick, Jeremy I. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi, Matt.

I am unable to reproduce the crash you are seeing in slic with Pelle's "new" detector, using the *dev* version of the simulation e.g. building from

ilcinstall/trunk/examples/slic/dev-scratch.cfg

which has these versions

[1008 $] slic -v
SLIC 5.0.0
Geant4 10.0.2

I run this command

slic -g detectors/HPSTracker2014-v0.lcdd -i stdhep/ap2.2gev075mev.stdhep -x -O -r 99999999

and it gets past the event which crashes on your setup.

I'm going to see how far it gets into this job (at 4000 events and counting).  It looks to me like it should succeeed without crashing.

So the immediate solution here is using this dev setup, which is v05-00-00, instead of the HPS specific config.

The 3.x version of slic that we use currently is outdated, and continuing to use this is problemmatic, as it is difficult to patch at this point.  It would require making a separate development branch of one of the old, released tags of slic and then making specific code changes and releases on that branch.  Even then, I'm not sure it would be easy to fix the crash that is happening only with changes to SLIC, as it could be related to Geant4 internals which we have no ability to modify without upgrading the Geant4 version (e.g. generally the stability of G4 has been improving with the releases lately so this problem you're having probably just goes away).

Upgrading to the new version, the Geant4 will be different, as the old one is 9.6.p01, and the current build uses the 10.0.2 release.  I can't tell you whether this would be a "problem" or not, but certainly the physics results could change between major versions.  We would want to study this.

Perhaps the ECAL Commissioning data could help us study this, at least for energy depositions and resolutions in the crystals.  It would be interesting to see whether this data agrees with the MC output from the current version of slic.

--Jeremy



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