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Frossie, I’ll second what Fritz said, I think we are all confused. I certainly am, I am guessing you noticed I was confused about the tags when we talked about them in the past (and I still am) J. > On Dec 7, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Fritz Mueller <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > YES please, thanks! > > I'm still quite consistently confused about: > > - exactly how many flavors of tags and labels there are among the various tools > - what the intended semantics each of these is > - what the actual current (ab)uses of each of these are > - where and how these are seen within the tools, and of the things that may be seen, which are which > - which things are done automatically > - etc. > > Clues very gladly accepted! > > --FritzM. > > On 12/07/2015 10:32 AM, Frossie Economou wrote: >> >> Okay I think I will write this up and then it will make more sense (hopefully) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fabrice Jammes <mailto:[log in to unmask]><[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> Date: December 7, 2015 at 10:45:33 >> To: Frossie Economou <mailto:[log in to unmask]><[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>, Fabrice Jammes <mailto:[log in to unmask]><[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> CC: qserv-l <mailto:[log in to unmask]><[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: [QSERV-L] About dependency version numbers >> >> > Thanks Frossie for your answer. >> > >> > Nevertheless is seems not all our third-party dependencies are tagged, >> > see mysql proxy in >> > https://sw.lsstcorp.org/eupspkg/tags/qserv_latest.list <https://sw.lsstcorp.org/eupspkg/tags/qserv_latest.list>: >> > >> > mysqlproxy generic 0.8.2+12 >> > >> > Is it normal? >> > >> > Third option looks nice, whereas coud you please clarify what is an "alphabetic tags" >> > and also this part:"you lose the 2015_11 tag from the manifest "? Thanks :-) Fabrice >> > >> > >> > >> > On 12/07/2015 04:42 PM, Frossie Economou wrote: >> > > >> > > So the problem is that if we don’t git-tag the dependencies, there is >> > > no way to reproduce a build without eups in the future, ever. I’m >> > > actually reluctant to give that up. >> > > >> > > >> > > Right now if we git-tag, eups picks them up as versions. There is a PR >> > > open in EUPS to do the opposite, but then that means that any tags >> > > that I make (eg. the weeklies) will also get dropped.The problem is >> > > that some people care about the eups versions being consistent and >> > > some people want them to read like the initial versions and others >> > > don’t use them at all. >> > > >> > > >> > > There is no obvious solution to this problem that keeps everybody >> > > happy. So to recap, the options are: >> > > >> > > >> > > (a) I don’t git-tag your externals. You can never reproduce a release >> > > state without EUPS. >> > > >> > > >> > > (b) The current situation (I git-tag your externals and the manifest >> > > shows your tag for externals - the git tags will still show you the >> > > “real” version) >> > > >> > > >> > > (c) we switch to the new version of eups that ignores alphabetic tags, >> > > I tag your release with an alphabetic tag but then you lose the >> > > 2015_11 tag from the manifest >> > > >> > > >> > > Open to opinions. I can call into your Wed meeting if you like. >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Fabrice Jammes >> > > >> > > Date: December 5, 2015 at 15:10:37 >> > > To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> > > CC: qserv-l >> > > Subject: About dependency version numbers >> > > >> > > > Hi Frossie, >> > > > >> > > > During the latest Qserv release, some Qserv third-party dependencies >> > > version number >> > > > have been set to 2015_11.O. Here's the list below: >> > > > >> > > > (extract of https://sw.lsstcorp.org/eupspkg/tags/qserv_latest.list <https://sw.lsstcorp.org/eupspkg/tags/qserv_latest.list>) >> > > > >> > > > xrootd generic 2015_11.0 >> > > > boost generic 2015_11.0 >> > > > protobuf generic 2015_11.0 >> > > > sconsUtils generic 2015_11.0 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Please note that for these dependencies, I think we would like to >> > > keep their "real" version >> > > > number, so that we can easilly know which version of them we are using. >> > > > On the other hand, I think that it is ok to use 2015_11.0 tag for >> > > packets developed by Qserv >> > > > team (except xrootd which has its own version numbers), like you're >> > > doing now. >> > > > >> > > > So, for the next release, could we please switch back to >> > > "real"/previous version number >> > > > for the 4 packages listed above? Of course, if Qserv team also agree >> > > with that. >> > > > >> > > > I've build a Docker image from the release you've done, and it seems >> > > fine (except that >> > > > I had to check that xrootd 2015_11.0 was also 4.3.0.rc4a.lsst1 ;-)). >> > > > Thanks again for packaging the release, this is a complex task and >> > > it help a lot that you >> > > > can do it on the Square side :-) >> > > > >> > > > Have a nice day, >> > > > >> > > > Fabrice >> > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Frossie Economou >> > > Science Quality and Reliability Engineering (SQuaRE) >> > > Large Synoptic Survey Telescope >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > >> > > Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the QSERV-L list, click the following link: >> > > https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=QSERV-L&A=1 <https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=QSERV-L&A=1> >> > > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Frossie Economou >> Science Quality and Reliability Engineering (SQuaRE) >> Large Synoptic Survey Telescope >> >> Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list >> >> To unsubscribe from the QSERV-L list, click the following link: >> https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=QSERV-L&A=1 <https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=QSERV-L&A=1> > > Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list > > To unsubscribe from the QSERV-L list, click the following link: > https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=QSERV-L&A=1 <https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=QSERV-L&A=1> ######################################################################## Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list To unsubscribe from the QSERV-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=QSERV-L&A=1