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Hi, Recently, I experienced both sides. I saw a guy (from the car company) “absolute” hand ball, called. He said no, just chest. I was also in his shoes some time ago, hands not even close, just the chest but was blamed “hand ball”. I also called Max handball long time ago, he said not. I absolutely trust him but my eyes and ears told me it was handball. Guess many times our eyes and ears only tell us what we want to see and hear. So, here I suggest special rule for handball call: If A calls handball on B but B says no, that’s it, not handball, no argument. Only B can really tell whether it is a handball. Best, Tiger ######################################################################## Use REPLY-ALL to reply to list To unsubscribe from the KLYSTRON-SOCCER list, click the following link: https://listserv.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=KLYSTRON-SOCCER&A=1