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This is a nice catch! Thanks, to everyone looking into this.

Cheers,
Justas

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 00:45, Petr Vokac <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Proxy generated with 1024 key size seems to be mainly OSG problem,
because this size is used by default only by voms-proxy-init2. Those who
rely on voms-proxy-init3 > 3.3.2 (released in October 2020) or arcproxy
 >= 6.4.0 (released in November 2019) gets by default 2048 keys.

Be aware there might still be software which "accidentally" generate
proxies with smaller than default size, e.g. FTS < 3.11.0 (latest
version released in September 2021) used fixed key size 1024
(https://its.cern.ch/jira/browse/FTS-1700).

Saying that it would be useful to have more clear error messages.

Petr

On 2/16/22 08:18, Matevz Tadel wrote:
> Andy and I did some deep debugging of where the cert init fails ... and it
> turned out the problem was 1024-bit key of the proxy cert on the client machine
> --- openssl-1.1.1k (which comes with cos-8) apparently requires the key to be at
> least 2048 bits when calling SSL_CTX_use_certificate_file().
>
> After we replaced it with my 2048-bit key cert it worked no problem.
>
> On fedora-34 the default key length generated by voms-proxy-init is already
> 2048, on centos-7.9 it is still 1024. One can get longer keys with -bits option:
> voms-proxy-init -bits 2048 -voms cms
>
> Andy will try to get more informative error messages from openssl ... but this
> doesn't seem entirely trivial as the error gets set at the top-level function
> and we had to go three levels down to see the actual error code that we were
> able to google.
>
> Matevz
>
> On 2/15/22 19:46, Justas Balcas wrote:
>> That is correct, Matevz
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 18:39 Matevz Tadel <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>      Thank you Andy!
>>
>>      The error is permanent, I think. Justas, can you please confirm?
>>
>>      Matevz
>>
>>      On 2/15/22 17:49, Andrew Hanushevsky wrote:
>>      > Here are the common problems when the client issues that message:
>>      >
>>      > 1) The certificate's chain of trust is broken (could be because the root CA
>>      > can't be verified, or the root/intermediate certificate has expired). This
>>      would
>>      > cause sproradic failures (note that if the certificate is improperly installed
>>      > then the failure would always occur which is not the case here).
>>      >
>>      > 2) The certificate must be renewed before the expiry of the certificate to
>>      avoid
>>      > any conflict arising out of time violation. Ensure that the date/time is set
>>      > correctly on your computer since that might be used to assess the validity
>>      > period of the SSL certificate of the website. This would cause repated
>>      failures
>>      > on some sites but not others depending on how close the cert was to expiring.
>>      >
>>      > 3) The certificate structure is broken, or the certificate's signature
>>      can't be
>>      > checked. This is the hardest to solve but one reason could me random memory
>>      > corruption. I would suggest runningthe client with valgrind and try to
>>      match the
>>      > valgring log with the invalid cert message.
>>      >
>>      > 4) Firewall issues may cause problems with they have been enabled for
>>      > "encrypted/SSL scanning or checking."
>>      >
>>      > 5) If tghe server is using only SHA-1 encryption then those cert are
>>      flagged as
>>      > insecure and need to update their security certificates. However, would most
>>      > likely cause permanent errors.
>>      >
>>      > Andy
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >
>>      > On Tue, 15 Feb 2022, Matevz Tadel wrote:
>>      >
>>      >> Andy,
>>      >>
>>      >> What's with the invalid certificate in the client log?
>>      >>
>>      >> [2022-02-15 09:56:19.549139 -0800][Debug  ][XRootDTransport   ]
>>      >> [transfer-9.ultralight.org
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__transfer-2D9.ultralight.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=nlq02y75DI9NFCQLEryIqIoDoyClnOqIZlWhu5rJJMc&e=>:1095.0]
>>      Sending out kXR_login request, username:
>>      >> root, cgi:
>>      >> ?xrd.cc=us&xrd.tz
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__xrd.tz&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=-Rc4_LmnigwN9z03K7gZrf-B9w2_b0g2EkivTF0FV9U&e=>=-8&xrd.appname=xrdcp&xrd.info
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__xrd.info&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=j_3eK4Ghw7zsEUpD0XXrLaG5_Maj8wMSMXpXUC-Up5Y&e=>=&xrd.hostname=xrd-cache-3.ultralight.org
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__xrd-2Dcache-2D3.ultralight.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=PYd32OF7sFBQVcQsXBH9TGn-f4DSZENRYSAySzIRVUE&e=>&xrd.rn=v5.2.0,
>>      >> dual-stack: true, private IPv4: false, private IPv6: false
>>      >> [2022-02-15 09:56:19.549209 -0800][Debug  ][AsyncSock         ]
>>      >> [transfer-9.ultralight.org
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__transfer-2D9.ultralight.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=nlq02y75DI9NFCQLEryIqIoDoyClnOqIZlWhu5rJJMc&e=>:1095.0]
>>      TLS hand-shake exchange.
>>      >>
>>      >> ===> HERE:
>>      >> [2022-02-15 09:56:19.551762 -0800][Error  ][TlsMsg            ]
>>      [TLS_Context:]
>>      >> Unable to create TLS context; invalid certificate.
>>      >>
>>      >> [2022-02-15 09:56:19.551903 -0800][Error  ][AsyncSock         ]
>>      >> [transfer-9.ultralight.org
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__transfer-2D9.ultralight.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=nlq02y75DI9NFCQLEryIqIoDoyClnOqIZlWhu5rJJMc&e=>:1095.0]
>>      Socket error while handshaking: [FATAL] TLS
>>      >> error
>>      >> [2022-02-15 09:56:19.551920 -0800][Debug  ][AsyncSock         ]
>>      >> [transfer-9.ultralight.org
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__transfer-2D9.ultralight.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=nlq02y75DI9NFCQLEryIqIoDoyClnOqIZlWhu5rJJMc&e=>:1095.0]
>>      Closing the socket
>>      >>
>>      >> Can I run in gdb to get more info? What is good place to start poking?
>>      >>
>>      >> I was assuming it's the server cert that client does not like ... but it does
>>      >> look ok to me :)
>>      >>
>>      >> Matevz
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >> On 2/15/22 14:04, Andrew Hanushevsky wrote:
>>      >>> Hi Bockjoo,
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Unfortunately, that's not the way it works. While gsi doesn't need to
>>      use TLS
>>      >>> ztn does. Since the erver doesn't know which protocol the client will
>>      eventually
>>      >>> settle on, the connection has to use TLS right from the start. That
>>      means you
>>      >>> cannot use ztn with incapable clients.
>>      >>>
>>      >>> Andy
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022, Bockjoo Kim wrote:
>>      >>>
>>      >>>> Hi Andy,
>>      >>>>
>>      >>>> There are two sec.protocols: gsi and ztn.
>>      >>>>
>>      >>>> Doesn't the interaction go through gsi and if it fails, will it go
>>      through ztn?
>>      >>>>
>>      >>>> For incapable clients, the gsi can succeed, no?
>>      >>>>
>>      >>>> Thanks,
>>      >>>>
>>      >>>> Bockjoo
>>      >>>>
>>      >>>> On 2/15/22 14:52, Andrew Hanushevsky wrote:
>>      >>>>> Hi Justas,
>>      >>>>>
>>      >>>>> If you look into the log you will notice a warning that tells you that TLS
>>      >>>>> will always be on regardless of the "capable" setting because
>>      authentication
>>      >>>>> protocol ztn requires tls. So, this may be the source of the problem,
>>      >>>>> certainly it will be for incapable clients.
>>      >>>>>
>>      >>>>> Andy
>>      >>>>>
>>      >>>>>
>>      >>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022, Justas Balcas wrote:
>>      >>>>>
>>      >>>>>> Hi,
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> Server's/Clients are running > 5.3.X release (not 5.4). I took out 1
>>      server
>>      >>>>>> from prod and played with full debug mode, on/off tls.
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> Logs from server/client are available here:
>>      >>>>>>
>>      https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__login-2D1.hep.caltech.edu_-7Ejbalcas_tls_&d=DwIDaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=cxGPTdnshuISdao1V4PsW-krXJuMxpk57T8cXetcP32UCNNa9pgqm--1NTcRuVNW&s=tns3GlZokUnAN9f_4ZHOR1kQXE0DrfqOgDK3bos6dS4&e=
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__login-2D1.hep.caltech.edu_-7Ejbalcas_tls_&d=DwIDaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=cxGPTdnshuISdao1V4PsW-krXJuMxpk57T8cXetcP32UCNNa9pgqm--1NTcRuVNW&s=tns3GlZokUnAN9f_4ZHOR1kQXE0DrfqOgDK3bos6dS4&e=>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> To turn TLS, I added this config:
>>      >>>>>> xrd.tls /etc/grid-security/xrootd/xrootdcert.pem
>>      >>>>>> /etc/grid-security/xrootd/xrootdkey.pem
>>      >>>>>> xrd.tlsca certdir /etc/grid-security/certificates
>>      >>>>>> xrootd.tls capable all
>>      >>>>>> sec.protocol /usr/lib64 ztn
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> And with TLS on - I always get:
>>      >>>>>> TLS hand-shake exchange.
>>      >>>>>> Socket error while handshaking: [FATAL] TLS error
>>      >>>>>> Closing the socket
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> If it helps, here is full config:
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> all.export /tmp stage
>>      >>>>>> frm.xfr.copycmd /bin/cp /dev/null $PFN
>>      >>>>>> all.adminpath /var/spool/xrootd
>>      >>>>>> all.pidpath /var/run/xrootd
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> # XrootD Security
>>      >>>>>> # ---------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> xrootd.seclib /usr/lib64/libXrdSec.so
>>      >>>>>> sec.protocol /usr/lib64 gsi -certdir:/etc/grid-security/certificates
>>      >>>>>> -cert:/etc/grid-security/xrootd/xrootdcert.pem
>>      >>>>>> -key:/etc/grid-security/xrootd/xrootdkey.pem -crl:3
>>      >>>>>> -authzfun:libXrdLcmaps.so -authzto:900
>>      >>>>>> -authzfunparms:lcmapscfg=/etc/xrootd/lcmaps.cfg -gmapopt:10 -gmapto:0
>>      >>>>>> acc.authdb /etc/xrootd/auth_file_stageout
>>      >>>>>> ofs.authorize
>>      >>>>>> macaroons.secretkey /etc/xrootd/macaroon-secret
>>      >>>>>> ofs.authlib ++ libXrdMacaroons.so
>>      >>>>>> ofs.authlib ++ libXrdAccSciTokens.so
>>      >>>>>> # --------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> # XrootD Monitoring
>>      >>>>>> # --------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> # Monitoring for AAA Dashboard :
>>      >>>>>> xrd.report 169.228.130.91:9931
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__169.228.130.91-3A9931&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=AW4Xegl5wxbeERkKViynNkyDzu4pC5VhL7QR8sFGF44&e=>
>>      every 30s all sync
>>      >>>>>> xrootd.monitor all auth flush 30s window 5s fstat 60 lfn ops xfr 5 dest
>>      >>>>>> files io info user 169.228.130.91:9930
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__169.228.130.91-3A9930&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=9w5jNESVzo8Kp4KzAUI0Ymeo-wcerH5BqhqE0Rfk6oU&e=>
>>      dest fstat info user
>>      >>>>>> xrd-mon.osgstorage.org:9930
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__xrd-2Dmon.osgstorage.org-3A9930&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=lMHFksodly_4DGpPCSpc0-Wb9UGjl1_8yif-C2TNQrI&e=>
>>      >>>>>> all.sitename T2_US_Caltech
>>      >>>>>> # -------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> # Configure redirector/server
>>      >>>>>> # -------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> set xrdr = xrootd-redir-stageout.ultralight.org
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__xrootd-2Dredir-2Dstageout.ultralight.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=9Kg_R4c2zF6HHZSpAb3h3VrMr_pFJQ260VSKabOPtkulYwNWdPSP-sd5LVhMjPpw&s=HTNBiz85qLXQGkB75MafMeY4xc6vwkMUMuatd5_g0mo&e=>
>>      >>>>>> xrd.port 1095
>>      >>>>>> all.manager $(xrdr):1213
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> if $(xrdr)
>>      >>>>>>  # It's role is manager
>>      >>>>>>  all.role manager
>>      >>>>>>  # Redirect all lookup calls to original data servers. Redirector
>>      does not
>>      >>>>>> have visibility of FS
>>      >>>>>>  cms.dfs lookup distrib mdhold 20m redirect immed
>>      >>>>>> else
>>      >>>>>>  # Role is server
>>      >>>>>>  all.role server
>>      >>>>>>  # The known managers (local redirector)
>>      >>>>>>  all.manager meta $(xrdr):1213
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>  # Enable xrootd checksum calculation "on-the-fly" using multiuser plugin
>>      >>>>>>  # This makes XRootD to write the files with the
>>      >>>>>>  # ownership of the user that authenticated to the server and not as the
>>      >>>>>>  # 'xrootd' user
>>      >>>>>>  ofs.osslib ++ libXrdMultiuser.so
>>      >>>>>>  # Enable the checksum wrapper
>>      >>>>>>  ofs.ckslib * libXrdMultiuser.so
>>      >>>>>>  # Control of checksum
>>      >>>>>>  xrootd.chksum max 10 adler32
>>      >>>>>>  multiuser.checksumonwrite on
>>      >>>>>>  multiuser.umask 0002
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> fi
>>      >>>>>> # -------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> # Allow only specific path, checksum config
>>      >>>>>> # -------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> # Allow any path to be exported; this is further refined in the authfile.
>>      >>>>>> all.export /
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> # Hosts allowed to use this xrootd cluster
>>      >>>>>> cms.allow host *
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> # Enable xrootd debugging
>>      >>>>>> xrootd.trace emsg login stall redirect
>>      >>>>>> cms.trace defer files forward redirect
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> # Disable async. Related issue:
>>      >>>>>>
>>      https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_xrootd_xrootd_issues_1113&d=DwIDaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=cxGPTdnshuISdao1V4PsW-krXJuMxpk57T8cXetcP32UCNNa9pgqm--1NTcRuVNW&s=L2XeYWMRRqstD75CgZb1yCHO9dgWL2K6Uqmqto5rx_Q&e=
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_xrootd_xrootd_issues_1113&d=DwIDaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=cxGPTdnshuISdao1V4PsW-krXJuMxpk57T8cXetcP32UCNNa9pgqm--1NTcRuVNW&s=L2XeYWMRRqstD75CgZb1yCHO9dgWL2K6Uqmqto5rx_Q&e=>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> xrootd.async off
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> # -------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> # Integrate with CMS Namespaces
>>      >>>>>> # It will see files under /store/...
>>      >>>>>> # -------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> oss.localroot /storage/cms
>>      >>>>>> # -------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> # Configure davs/https for TPC
>>      >>>>>> # -------------------------------------
>>      >>>>>> # Enable https over XrootD
>>      >>>>>> if exec xrootd
>>      >>>>>>  xrd.protocol http:1095 /usr/lib64/libXrdHttp.so
>>      >>>>>>  http.cadir /etc/grid-security/certificates
>>      >>>>>>  http.cert /etc/grid-security/xrootd/xrootdcert.pem
>>      >>>>>>  http.key /etc/grid-security/xrootd/xrootdkey.pem
>>      >>>>>>  http.secxtractor /usr/lib64/libXrdLcmaps.so
>>      >>>>>>  http.secretkey XXXXXXX
>>      >>>>>>  # Enable third-party-copy
>>      >>>>>>  http.exthandler xrdtpc libXrdHttpTPC.so
>>      >>>>>>  # Pass the bearer token to the Xrootd authorization framework.
>>      >>>>>>  http.header2cgi Authorization authz
>>      >>>>>>  http.listingdeny yes
>>      >>>>>>  http.desthttps yes
>>      >>>>>>  http.selfhttps2http no
>>      >>>>>>  http.staticpreload
>>      >>>>>>
>>      https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__static_robots.txt&d=DwIDaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=cxGPTdnshuISdao1V4PsW-krXJuMxpk57T8cXetcP32UCNNa9pgqm--1NTcRuVNW&s=Laz4x7NvD_fTheDJu5m_cEES6_pePEidCLIAkrYNvPs&e=
>>      <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__static_robots.txt&d=DwIDaQ&c=-35OiAkTchMrZOngvJPOeA&r=f2PhPg2_OoVvPAKGXfp4WG1YcdhQC9qsy2uMHw3Z_6k&m=cxGPTdnshuISdao1V4PsW-krXJuMxpk57T8cXetcP32UCNNa9pgqm--1NTcRuVNW&s=Laz4x7NvD_fTheDJu5m_cEES6_pePEidCLIAkrYNvPs&e=>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> /etc/xrootd/robots.txt
>>      >>>>>>  http.exthandler xrdmacaroons libXrdMacaroons.so
>>      >>>>>> fi
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> xrd.tls /etc/grid-security/xrootd/xrootdcert.pem
>>      >>>>>> /etc/grid-security/xrootd/xrootdkey.pem
>>      >>>>>> xrd.tlsca certdir /etc/grid-security/certificates
>>      >>>>>> xrootd.tls capable all
>>      >>>>>> sec.protocol /usr/lib64 ztn
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> xrootd.trace all
>>      >>>>>> xrd.trace    all
>>      >>>>>> ofs.trace    all
>>      >>>>>> pfc.trace    all
>>      >>>>>> cms.trace    all
>>      >>>>>> # To debug connections to the fedration (5 Dump, 4 Debug, 3 Error, 2
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